Cooling System

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    Info - all V6, 84-86 L4 models

    The Almost Complete Explaination of Fiero Cooling Sensors, Switches, and Other Mysterious Things

    There appears that an explaination of the Fiero cooling system electricals is in order; lets look at the engine first. There are four (4) sensor/switches on the Fiero, 4 cyl or 6. On some of the 4 cyl A/C cars, there's a two speed fan; it has two switches in one shell to activate the fan. These cars are identified by a large white ceramic resistor on the fan frame rail. So when you ask the guy at the parts counter for a coolant sensor, you better know which one! We'll do the two temp sensors first. The others are switches.. Temp sensors are nothing but variable resistors that change resistance with temperature; as the temp goes up, the resistance goes down. One sensor (2 wire) is for the ECM. This is the ONLY coolant sensor the ECM sees. It tells the ECM, obviosly, how hot the motor is so it can go into closed loop and aids in determining proper timing & fuel mix. The other sensor is combined with a switch in one assy. Both this switch and sensor operate the dash lamp and temp gauge respectively.

    As for switches, they close at predetermined temperatures and make something happen. The previously mentioned switch in the same shell with the gauge sensor, lights the temp lite on the dash when it closes.

    I have found that the connector shell on the V6 gauge/lamp sensor is melted or gone due to the proximity to the exhaust manifold. The wires can be simply slipped on the terminals without the shell. How do you tell which wire and/or terminal is which? Easy. Install either wire on either terminal. Run the car. If the gauge doesn't come off cold, reverse the wires. To check the gauge and lamp, short either wire to ground with the ignition on. The gauge should go full scale, and the lamp will illuminate, respectively.

    A stand alone switch is for the fan. It closes at 235f. This switch, along with one built into the A/C controls, completes a relay coil circuit to ground. The relay contacts actually supply the large current needed by the fan. This relay is located in the LH front corner of the front compartment. To check the fan, short the Dk GRN/WHT wire on the fan switch on the engine to ground with the ignition on. The fan should activate. This fan switch is notorious for not operating. If you find your car (this goes for other GM's as well) overheating when not in motion, but cools down at speed, its a good chance this switch is bad. Turning on the A/C automatically activates the fan.

    Speaking of A/C, there's another switch on the compressor that turns on the fan when pressure reaches 280#. Why this is there, I don't know, because, as mentioned above, the fan runs anytime A/C is dialed up. The replacement compressors I've been getting lately don't have this switch so I leave the lead off. (they also don't have the clutch switch, but that's another story).

    As mentioned, some A/C'd 4 cyl cars had a two speed fan. The switch is in the same postion, but now it contains two switches in one assy. and has two leads. The low speed comes on at 221f and the other closes at 248f.

    SENSOR/SWITCH     PART NUMBER      WIRE         LOCATION
    
    coolant fan switch            dk grn/wht
     84-86 two speed   3050223    lt grn/blk    L4- LH front of head
     84-86 non A/C     3040674
     85-88 V6 all      3040674    dk grn/wht    V6- RH top of engine
                                                     near thermostat
    
    gauge/lamp sensor             dk grn
      84-88 all        25036628                 L4- LH front of head
      85-88 all        25036809   dk grn/wht (V6)
                                  tan (L4)      V6- LH rear head next to
                                                    edge of exhaust manifold
    
    ECM coolant sensor
     84-88 all         10045847   blk & yel     L4- thermostat housing
     85-88 all         25036979                 V6- RH top of engine near
                                                    thermostat
    

    From: Tin Man

    Info - 87-88 L4 models

    The coolant fan of 87 - 88 4-cyl. Fieros IS controlled by the ECM, and at least according to the Helms manual, its operation is speed dependent.

    From: Jukka Alve

    Here is the paragraph from the Helms manual on Electric Cooling Fan Control (pg 6E-11 in the 87 manual):

    Under certain conditions, the ECM may control the electric cooling fan to cool the engine and A/C condenser. At cruising speed, the ECM may turn the fan off for better fuel economy.

    From: Lee Brown

    Bleeding the cooling system

    Here's what I do to purge air from the coolant system.

    The trick is to take the thermostat out and leave it out until you are sure the _all_ of the air is purged from the system.

    Park on level ground.

    1. Remove both the radiator cap, the thermostat cap, and the thermostat.
    2. Slowly begin pouring your 50/50 mix of coolant into the thermostat opening, carefully watching the radiator opening.
    3. When coolant begins comming out the radiator opening, re-install and tighten the radiator cap, top off the coolant in the thermostat opening, re-install and tighten the thermostat cap.
    4. Start the engine for ~30 seconds then kill the engine.
    5. Remove the thermoststat cap and top the coolant off. Loosen the radiator cap and wiggle it until coolant begins to come out, retighten the cap, top off the coolant in the thermostat opening and re-install the thermostat cap.
    6. Repeat steps 4 & 5 until you are satisfied that _all_ of the air is out of the system. You might want to make a short run to the beer store with the thermostat out, LET THE ENGINE COOL, then repeat steps 4 & 5 again.
    7. Re-install the thermostat.

    NOTE: Fiero owners should bleed the coolant system _anytime_ the coolant reservoir runs dry. i.e. system has sucked air into the radiator.

    From: Terry Loveless

    Draining

    There is a drain plug at the bottom of the radiator, under the coolant fan, on the passenger side. You won't be able to see it from above, but you should be able to reach it. It is just a thumb-screw plug that you should be able to remove with your fingers. If it is too tight, you might need pliers to loosen it.

    There is a drain plug towards the rear of the coolant pipe on each side of the car. They are Torx, I believe they are T25 or T30.

    From: Sketch

    Diagnostics

  • Temp never rises
  • Temp rises when not moving
  • Fan never comes on
  • Fan always on
  • Coolant overflows
  • Overheating, but no leak